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Old 08-13-2016, 06:58 PM   #361
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Has anyone taken salt pills?

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Yes, Alan, I take them fairly regularly. My blood tests have showed low sodium in the past. When I added intermittent fasting to my low carb, I found that sodium really helps, especially since I like to drink a lot. (water, that is!) I will often take potassium and magnesium along with it.
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How does it feel going to bed without eating? I do 24 hours twice a week and I cant imagine going to bed without breaking the fast.
Do you sleep well?

Also, I test my blood sugar at the end of the fast and look for numbers in the 70s, which they always are. Yesterday I fasted but I accidentally put too much half and half in my coffee (I usually use 2T, 40 cal in my coffee on fast days) and yet my blood glucose remained in the 70s as always. Does this mean that this much 1/2 & 1/2 (it was probably 4T) is ok on fast days?
Maybe but blood glucose does not really tell you this because you may have released more insulin to keep your blood glucose at that level.

I would expect that 4 tbsp in coffee is ok if it keeps you in the fasting mode but better would be to use a higher fat cream.
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Old 08-13-2016, 08:19 PM   #363
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Yes, Alan, I take them fairly regularly. My blood tests have showed low sodium in the past. When I added intermittent fasting to my low carb, I found that sodium really helps, especially since I like to drink a lot. (water, that is!) I will often take potassium and magnesium along with it.
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Old 08-15-2016, 04:23 AM   #364
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Vanilla, I have a wonky thyroid that goes back and forth from over to under active. My doctor only checks TSH. He is a GP though, not and endo. I noticed recently that if I eat a lot of cruciferous veggies I get symptomatic, and I eat them cooked, not raw.

My friend has been on thyroid meds for years but still has difficulty losing weight. It's possible that if she was not on the meds she would be much bigger.
I told my GP I didn't know if my T3 and T4 had ever been checked and she was happy to run them. Even with a TSH at almost 9.5 and the others at the lower end of the range was told I was only "mildly" hypothyroid. I can't believe an endo would be happy with just checking TSH when it's all of them that supposedly shows how the thyroid is working.

I did see eating a lot of particular raw veggies could cause issues - ironically the ones that are generally okay to eat on low carb! I rarely eat raw veggies other than a angel hair cabbage/mayo/Swerve cole slaw I make up.

With a lifelong history of not being able to lose weight, it's amazing to me that with all the changes I've made and now being on thyroid meds, I still can't lose weight!
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In my opinion, you need to be more proactive about your health. I am hypo (Hashimoto's) and although I have a wonderful endo, I research all I can to be able to partner with him in my care.

A TSH of 9.5 is not mildly hypo. It is seriously hypo. A good thyroid doctor would not only put you on Rx supplemental thyroid immediately, that doctor would also check your T4 and T3 levels regularly.

I have been checked every 4 months for years, and even with this level of care,
I have experienced issues that require dosage adjustments.

Our thyroid basically run our bodies, and anyone with thyroid problems should try to get the best treatment possible.
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Old 08-16-2016, 04:25 AM   #366
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Leo - You're the one who told me (and a thyroid only website I found) that "mildly" was an understatement. I didn't know a thing about thyroid levels back then. Still trying to get straight what runs what with the T3 and T4 I confess. Although this endo hasn't told me yet that he only tests TSH, trust me I will question him on that - if I go back to him at all. I'm going to see if my GP can prescribe the Cytomel he put me on and look for another endo. It may not show in my wording, but believe me I question and share what I've researched with them. Not that they think I know what I'm talking about mind you!
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Where I live, I don't have the option to see a specialist but from what I understand, they can be just as bad as practical care physicians and getting both T3 and T4 tested is almost unheard of - never mind anything beyond that. I am doing well on synthroid but if things were to go down hill, I am not sure what options I would have. I guess what I am saying is that you may do well on the first line of thyroid meds. It takes time to see.
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Hello all!!
I successfully completed a 51 hour fast and it was amazing. My body felt great and didn't feel as hungry/ravenous as I thought I would. However, I did eat too much for my break-fast and hurt my tummy just a bit. Next time, small break-fast meal.

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Hi, I want to go eating OMAD or at least have a 1-2 hour window to eat....I am now on 19/5.
My problem is I am FULL after I eat.
Who knew this WOE would fill us up so much! I, too, could eat a while pizza in a sitting. Not now.
I do find that eating on meal fills me way up. However, if I eat slowly and let the food settle a bit, I can eat a bigger OMAD meal. It takes me close to an hour to eat.
Personally, when I OMAD, I try to eat my fat/protein first then my veggies (with added fat of course).
As I continue with eating OMAD and fasting cycles, I am able to eat more in that OMAD meal then when I started.

Also, I agree 100% with Cathy, don't eat again until you are hungry. Listen to your body not necessarily the clock. If you are super stuffed after your OMAD, don't eat again just because you think you need to. Insulin is one of the biggest contributing factors to fat production and it is best to keep it low and infrequent.
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I hit 100 pounds lost a few days ago. I'm back to omad. Trying to eat mostly lc, but not horribly worried.
If I get to the point I feel like I'm going to cheat, I eat a hb egg or coconut oil or broth and that helps hold me until dinner.
I did omad yesterday, but today I'm feeling pretty hungry. scale said +2 pounds after big family reunion, but I may eat some lunch here in a bit.

I am trying to rotate to EOD.
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I successfully completed a 51 hour fast and it was amazing. My body felt great and didn't feel as hungry/ravenous as I thought I would. However, I did eat too much for my break-fast and hurt my tummy just a bit. Next time, small break-fast meal.

Yeah!!
Fantastic!!!

I am having trouble just getting through a day doing OMAD. Today I will do it.

Any tips on pushing through the urges to eat? I had been doing so well and seem to have lost my mojo.......
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Fantastic!!!

I am having trouble just getting through a day doing OMAD. Today I will do it.

Any tips on pushing through the urges to eat? I had been doing so well and seem to have lost my mojo.......
Cathy, I get like this! I managed to do a 70 hour fast last week after many failed attempts. I finally figured out that not making myself do anything 'forced' and to always drink a glass of water (or tea, or coffee) when an urge to eat hits works for me. I also realised that I don't need broth or fats in my coffee when I do an extended fast. I do drink a shot of ACV and one glass of salted water when I do extend my fast beyond 24 hours, just for my own head...

I think if you don't want to, you don't HAVE to do a longer fast. Unless you feel like this would benefit you, it is not necessary. Make sure that during the days that you do an extended fast that you avoid cookery books, websites and pinterest at all cost! (this has caused my 'hunger' and faillure to succeed on my intended longer fasts) Keep busy and feel proud of yourself each extra hour for making it that far!

More advice I can't give, I am still finding my feet in this world of IF.

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Cathy, I get like this! I managed to do a 70 hour fast last week after many failed attempts. I finally figured out that not making myself do anything 'forced' and to always drink a glass of water (or tea, or coffee) when an urge to eat hits works for me. I also realised that I don't need broth or fats in my coffee when I do an extended fast. I do drink a shot of ACV and one glass of salted water when I do extend my fast beyond 24 hours, just for my own head...

I think if you don't want to, you don't HAVE to do a longer fast. Unless you feel like this would benefit you, it is not necessary. Make sure that during the days that you do an extended fast that you avoid cookery books, websites and pinterest at all cost! (this has caused my 'hunger' and faillure to succeed on my intended longer fasts) Keep busy and feel proud of yourself each extra hour for making it that far!

More advice I can't give, I am still finding my feet in this world of IF.

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Thank you for this. All great suggestions.

I have not tried drinking tea but might today. I have not been consuming broth much either. It seems broth really does break the kind of fast I am trying for with the amount of protein it contains. I only consume it before actually breaking fast when struggling. I think tea would be better.
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Fantastic!!!

I am having trouble just getting through a day doing OMAD. Today I will do it.

Any tips on pushing through the urges to eat? I had been doing so well and seem to have lost my mojo.......

I drink a bottle (PERRIER from Walmart)of Sparkling Mineral Water. It really helped on my 5 day water only fast,better than just water for some reason.I figured sparkling mineral water was water after all.
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I have a question

I am starting my 2nd week of 18hour fast each day, I eat lunch at noon and dinner at 6 each day. but I still wake up so hungry each morning, why? Am I eating the wrong stuff for dinner? I don't give in the morning grumbles, I drink water. Will this every stop?
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I drink a bottle (PERRIER from Walmart)of Sparkling Mineral Water. It really helped on my 5 day water only fast,better than just water for some reason.I figured sparkling mineral water was water after all.

I don't have the Obesity Code at hand here at work, but somewhere dr Fung mentions that drinking sparkling mineral water helps with the grumbling stomach syndrome... So, yes, this would definitely work! I guess the minerals in water like Perrier would also help.

I just add a pinch of celtic or himalayan salt to my water, which is fine for me, but I have drunk sparkling water when we've had guests and I am fasting. Gives me a feeling of consuming 'something' when my guests are eating, LOL! It's all in the mind!
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I am starting my 2nd week of 18hour fast each day, I eat lunch at noon and dinner at 6 each day. but I still wake up so hungry each morning, why? Am I eating the wrong stuff for dinner? I don't give in the morning grumbles, I drink water. Will this every stop?

Are you keto? That certainly helps, and eating enough, especially fats, in your last meal would help extend your fast the next day...
Personally, I have found my brain playing nasty tricks on me, and I get the feeling of hunger and stomach growling at hour 16 of my fast. ALWAYS. I just drink a cup of green tea slowly, and the feeling goes away. In my post above here I mentioned that dr. Fung recommends sparkling water to help with the stomach grumbles. I have also found a TB of ACV in some water helps.

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Not sure about keto. never really checked. I will have to try the sparkling water in the morning and see what happens. or more fat with dinner. Thanks Mimosa23
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Where I live, I don't have the option to see a specialist but from what I understand, they can be just as bad as practical care physicians and getting both T3 and T4 tested is almost unheard of - never mind anything beyond that. I am doing well on synthroid but if things were to go down hill, I am not sure what options I would have. I guess what I am saying is that you may do well on the first line of thyroid meds. It takes time to see.
That's what I've heard, too, with specialists. Very disappointing when you find out you know more than they do. The bolded is the thing for me. I kept expecting to feel "better" but after almost a year on synthroid (first 50, now 75) I haven't felt any different than I did before. I thought I'd notice this big difference and think wow I didn't know how bad I felt before but that hasn't happened. Even with the Cytomel added.


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I am starting my 2nd week of 18hour fast each day, I eat lunch at noon and dinner at 6 each day. but I still wake up so hungry each morning, why? Am I eating the wrong stuff for dinner? I don't give in the morning grumbles, I drink water. Will this every stop?
I always have morning tummy grumbles (right now! lol) even though I eat keto but drinking water seems to help or it just eventually passes. I'm doing 18/6 also but on days when I have that intense actual hunger I eat something. There was one day last week when that happened and I know it was actual hunger and not just head hunger. If it's just the hunger that begins when it's almost fast breaking time I have some chicken bouillon - makes my head thinks it's having "food" as opposed to just water.
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Vanilla,

That is why you need a doctor to check your T4 and T3 levels. Synthroid takes effect very slowly, and I remember not really noticing anything, but when my doctor tested,he was able to assure me that I was getting the thyroid support I needed.

This is important because all thyroid Rx brands are different in minor ways, and any one can be ineffective for a specific person. Over the years, I have had to change Rx twice because of such problems. Only labs that check specific hormone levels can determine whether or not you are benefitting from your Rx.
TSH alone is inadequate.
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That's what I've heard, too, with specialists. Very disappointing when you find out you know more than they do. The bolded is the thing for me. I kept expecting to feel "better" but after almost a year on synthroid (first 50, now 75) I haven't felt any different than I did before. I thought I'd notice this big difference and think wow I didn't know how bad I felt before but that hasn't happened. Even with the Cytomel added.
When I was getting my dose right, my doctor saw me every 3 months along with blood work. I landed at 125mg. and have been there for the past 7 months. It sounds like you never upped your dose to a level that might have made a difference.....Of course, it may not be the right kind of drug that you need....... Very frustrating if you don't have a knowledgeable doctor. I have to admit, it did take things into my own hands and upped my dose when I felt it was time. I would tell him but I wouldn't wait to have him give me the go ahead. We are able to discuss it pretty well when I did see him.
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Cathy, I really don’t know. I drank a ton of water. Any time I felt a grumble or felt hunger I just pounded a more water. I have been OMAD for around 4 weeks so I think that helped. Also, coffee with a teaspoon of HWC helped a great deal. Not enough calories to break the fast but the creaminess is satisfying.

Thanks, Gina!

Giggles, make sure you are eating a lot of fat for your last meal of the day and eat until you are full, like somewhere between satisfied and stuffed. The more you fast and stick with it, the more adapted your body will become. A huge glass of water in the morning certainly helps.
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I was listening to another podcast. This one is 'two keto dudes' and they were talking about the crazy censuring that has been going on in Australia with a particular doctor who recommends LCHF for his patients. Interesting but the most fascinating part is a chat about a Dr. Kraft who is a pioneer in the understanding of insulin and it's role in diabetes and how testing blood sugars is really a late indicator of ensuing disease. He says maybe as long as 20 yrs. late.

His work is about measuring insulin over a period of about 5 hours. His charts depict 4 different pattern and 3 of them tell the story of hidden diabetes. The other thing I think is interesting in his charts is that he actually demonstrates insulin resistance as 3 of the patterns, start with higher fasting insulin numbers.

I want a fasting insulin test! What I heard was that if you are keto, you would consume 75g of glucose 2 hours before the blood draw and if that result is around 30 or less, you are in pattern 1 - the best place to be. Need to wrangle a blood test from my doctor who is currently doing less and less in the way of blood work. I need a rational excuse to call it in and get a requisition......
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Old 08-18-2016, 10:04 AM   #387
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Hi, Jaylynn!

Can you please post where the article is located where you read about this?
Really curious
Hi Alyona,

I don't think I can link it because of ads, but if you google "siimland 2 day fast formula" it should be the first to pop up.

Its not "new" information, but it kind of combines a few of Fung's blog posts all in one place.

Let me know if you don't find it.
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Old 08-18-2016, 10:08 AM   #388
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I don't know if you can do this in Canada, but I order my own blood work. I started doing it when doctors kept trying to get me on pills instead of changing my lifestyle, which in my case is what made me need pills. I haven't done the insulin test but I will next time.

Its not really that expensive and I figure my health is a great thing to spend my money on.
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Old 08-18-2016, 11:05 AM   #389
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1. I believe it was Beachguy who posted about on-line labs to do blood work privately. I think it was on this thread, IIRC.

I looked it up and think I will do this eventually. You buy the test and go to a local affiliated lab to have the blood drawn. The info for fasting insulin (actually called something else, though) said not to eat for 15 hours before having blood drawn.

2. A page or so ago, there was a post about whey protein and branched chain amino acids having a potent effect on insulin levels. I have never heard this before.

This means my expensive 100% grass-fed whey powder is bad for me.

I'm glad I didn't buy more yesterday, at least.

Trying to keep insulin levels low is becoming rather difficult as I find out more and more things raise those levels. Things you wouldn't think about, really.

Things you formerly thought were good for you.

Oh, that's right, my vitamin guy adds branched-chain amino acids to several of his products. Now I have to go find which ones those are.
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Old 08-18-2016, 11:30 AM   #390
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I'm doing further research on the whey protein issue now. Apparently, a whey protein shake can stop fat burning in its tracks. It has a bigger impact on insulin levels than pure glucose.

See, people think they are doing something good for themselves by switching to artificial sweeteners and drinking whey shakes.

Turns out, not so much.

I'm glad I've learned these things. After all, why am I fasting? To lower insulin levels.
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