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Old 01-06-2017, 05:11 AM   #91
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I also take hormone replacement, also known as HRT estrogen!!
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I imagine it is Thyroxine Leona, certainly that is what my DD1 takes after having her thyroid destroyed.

Thank you for all your fascinating 'scientific posts'. I have loved reading them all.

I have lost weight doing almost every diet known to man. I am a firm believer that as a general rule (specific health issues aside) all diets work if you do them as written.

However, some diets are a great deal more pleasant than others. I am here for a reason, lol.
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Low Carb Chicken Cordon Bleu

Recipe type: Main Course
Prep time: 20 mins Cook time: 45 mins Total time: 1 hour 5 mins
Serves: 6-8

A comforting low carb casserole filled with chicken, ham, and swiss. The creamy sauce is so tasty, no one will suspect it has hidden veggies! This will be a hit even for the pickiest of eaters.
Ingredients
5-6 cups shredded Pressure Cooker Chicken
½ pound very thinly sliced deli-style ham, chopped
¼ pound thin sliced baby Swiss cheese
¾ cup heavy whipping cream
6 oz cream cheese, softened (you could substitute this with half cream cheese and half sour cream)
12 oz cauliflower
1 cup chicken broth
1 tablespoon dijon mustard
½ teaspoon paprika
¼ teaspoon pepper
salt, to taste
1½ cups crushed pork rinds
1½ teaspoons dried parsley
Instructions
Preheat oven to 350 F.
Layer cooked shredded chicken on the bottom of a 9x13 baking dish.
Chop the ham and layer it over the top of the chicken.
Layer the Swiss cheese on top of the ham. I used about 10 slices of cheese.
Steam your cauliflower. I used frozen cauliflower and steamed in the microwave while I worked on the other steps.
Put your heavy whipping cream, cream cheese, cauliflower, broth, mustard, paprika, and pepper into a food processor and puree until creamy. Salt to taste.
Pour sauce over the casserole.
Top with crushed pork rinds and parsley.
Bake uncovered for 45 minutes until it starts to get bubbly.
Remove from oven and cool for 5-10 minutes.


I halved it since it's just me eating it and it made 3 generous portions!
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Great discussion! I think the bottom line is every person is different and no one diet (or one anything really) can be applied to every person. Every person not only is unique genetically but what we do in our lives affects our bodies and potentially how we metabolize things. Someone with liver damage, diabetes, autoimmune disease, impaired metabolism etc is obviously not going to react the same way to a low fat, low carb, high sugar, low calorie etc diet. But I do think we can learn from each other and our individual experiences. so thank you everyone!!
Personally I just want to have my cake (or wine as the case may be) and eat (drink) it too and not be chubby.

Hockeymom- I so far have not been successful with 0 calorie DD either. I think if I really want to do it I might be able to swing it on some days but I don't like the way it makes me feel so I am perfectly happy eating my 300-500 DD calories.

Tara- I was also the same way with my post -holiday DD. Mine ended up more like a MD... but I still dropped some of the weight!!

Vlo- as usual you supply an awesome recipe! I am having a hungry day today and now I am totally craving chicken cordon blue.

Carly- I am still at home waiting out the snow and they were showing reviews of the new tech at the CES show in Vegas and they showed something that is supposed to improve sleep- I thought of you and your sleep issues. Its called Oria that uses scents apparently - says it lets you fall asleep and stay alseep longer and better. Just thought I'd mention it.

The rest of the stuff at that show is so super cool. I'm a big sci-fi fan and it blows me away that some of the crazy things that authors wrote about years ago as being total fiction are reality in my lifetime!! just awesome! I can't help but think- what are we going to see in the next 20 years? I wish someone would figure out how to do a transporter.

sorry I'm a true geek, can't help but go on about it

on a JUDDDing note I have been doing great this week - at least 3 lbs down (I refused to weigh until after my first post-holiday DD) and pretty happy about it. Soups and tea have been my "secret" weapons. and those tasty yogurts with mix-ins are my apparent downfall - I have been going slightly over my intended calories when I give in to those at night. I should stop buying them. BTW the mango sriracha was just "eh". not worth the calories IMO.

speaking of tea- Frosty I found an apple cinnamon in Lipton tea also. There are a few cinnamon spice teas too that are quite nice.

Time to shovel the driveway. sigh.
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Kissa- that a good way to put it, some are more pleasant than others!

Frosty- I wonder if people's ability to thrive on LC is genetic? I wonder if there a study on that? Maybe the people it affects negatively aren't genetically adapted to it? Idk, I read a blog post on Chris kesser dot com ( big in paleo circles) about carbs and how for different types of people different amounts are required. So I think it definitely is not a one size fits all on either side. But the only way to know how it affects you is to give it a go. Personally 50-80 grams is where I'll probably always be because I like a bit more veggies and potatoes to permanently be keto but I'm looking forward to seeing the results of trying it for the month.


Up a normal 1.4 after my ud day so I'm happy with that I had 20 net carbs and 2016 calories. I feel like absolute crap today though, my sore throat turned into a chest cold and I am crazy sore from going to practice the other night. Going to take a detox bath for sure today to help out with both. Also will have some chicken broth throughout my dd to help me feel better. Hoping for another 3-4 lb drop after today to get me back down to what I weighed before the holidays! Then new weight , desperate to see new numbers on the scale soon! I still have 2 servings of my sweet sesame chicken and 2 servings of the chicken cordon bleu sigh, it seems halving recipes is not enough I'm Going to have to start to 1/4 them because some things just don't freeze well.

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Phoenix- we always post at the same time lol! But you had the same idea as me , genetics proably play a lot into how one reacts to any diet! Glad you been doing well this week! Good luck shoveling, it's a giant pain but at least its excercise!
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Ha Vlo I was just typing out that we post at the same time - too funny.

how do you make your broth? I don't know what I do wrong but I don't think my broth turns out very tasty. I still cook with it to get the goodness from it but I don't really like it by itself. I tend to get regular soup and then just strain out the solids when want to just drink broth...
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Ha Vlo I was just typing out that we post at the same time - too funny.

how do you make your broth? I don't know what I do wrong but I don't think my broth turns out very tasty. I still cook with it to get the goodness from it but I don't really like it by itself. I tend to get regular soup and then just strain out the solids when want to just drink broth...
When I make my own bone broth I use roasted bones, onions, garlic, carrots, celery, bay leaves, apple cider vinegar , and salt +pepper. Cover with water , slow cooker for 24 hours. In a pressure cooker I believe it cuts it down to 2 hours. You can use those trotters to make bone broth too. Right now I have no bones so im using a free range organic broth from the carton, not as good but for 5 calories a cup good enough.

I luckily found I had 1 tea bag left of an elderberry tea so I'm drink that now and hope that helps my cold. I also just realized the stevia packets i use have 2 carbs each I'm so bad at this, I keep finding carbs where I didn't think there were any! So that means yesterday was 26 carbs sigh oh well now that I know I'll switch to liquid stevia for the month which has no carbs.
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https://healthfully.wordpress.com/20...ttent-fasting/

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Vlo, interesting. I'm sorry you had a bad experience with treatment but I hope you've found ways to help control it? My cousin was diagnosed with Grave's a couple of years ago and she's suffered so much not just physically but from having to eventually quit her job and dealing with unsupportive family members who thought she was being dramatic, etc. She's found a specialist here who has had immense success with holistic/nutritional approaches, but her insurance won't cover it and she can't afford it. There's no real point to this story, was just relating since I don't know of anyone else with Grave's disease (that I know of, of course) and I wish so much I could help her.
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Frosty, I was curious about one line from one of your sources: "Diet: a high carbohydrate diet increases T3 levels, resulting in increased metabolic rate (diet-induced thermogenesis)." I have no doubt that it is scientifically proven that a hi carb diet increases T3, but doesn't the conclusion contradict the equally scientifically proven fact that it is a hi protein diet that increases thermogenesis?
I believe it's talking about the thermic effect of food. Both carb and protein causes a temporary boost in metabolism to metabolize (fat does not). I know after I eat a high carb, lower fat meal (which is typical for me), I will get roasting hot for a while afterward.

Carb also keep the glycogen levels topped off which signals to the thyroid that you aren't starving so keep hummin' along (there is more to it than that but that's the basic idea). That may be what they were talking about.

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Frosty- I wonder if people's ability to thrive on LC is genetic? I wonder if there a study on that? Maybe the people it affects negatively aren't genetically adapted to it?
I think it is very possible though I haven't seen any studies that reference that. It's been awhile since I read about it so am fuzzy on the details but I remember reading about the number of genes people had regarding the ability to start breaking down starch in their saliva. People have anywhere from two to eighteen. While it isn't a linear scale, it does suggest to me that some people may just be better equipped to handle starches. My pet theory that I made through observation but don't have proof of is that some people are very efficient at converting protein into glucose while others aren't. I know some people can jump right into LC and keep their energy while others (me) feel like death warmed over most of the time.

Another thought and probably where I step on some people's toes.

When people talking about binging on carbs they almost always mean things like pizza, cookies, cake, candy, chips, etc. In other words, not really carbs but a combo of carbs/fat (and salt) or carbs/sugar. You pretty much never see someone say "I had some potato with dinner and it was so good, I ate the entire ten pound bag of plain potatoes". But you see stuff like "I had a couple of chips and then ended up eating the entire bag".

Binging is very complex and I don't want to go too deep down that rabbit hole. However, one aspect of it though, is the idea that "I had some rice/potato with dinner. I blew my diet so I ate a whole bag of M&Ms". That is more of a mental thing - the idea that you blew your diet so you can have whatever you want in the (hopefully) short window before restarting again - and not a physiological one.

In regard to why some people do better on LC, that combo of fat/carb or sugar/carb can trigger pleasure centers in the brain and actually make them addictive (food reward theory). It triggers the exact same centers in the brain as gambling and other activities that people can be addicted to.

Just like some people can go to the casino and gamble a fixed amount and then be done while others shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a casino, some people can handle high reward food and others can't. My wife is one of those weird people that can eat like three chips and then be done. For me, on the other hand, if there is an open bag of chips in the house, I can't stop thinking about them until they are gone. Guess which one has the weight problem.

Those intense cravings for that kind of food once you eat some is real and isn't caused by insulin or blood sugar. You are literally jonesing for a fix. So basically this was a long winded way of saying that some people that thrive on LC (and on the flip side, very low fat diets like McDougall's) do so because the diet limits those high reward combos by eliminating the carb (or fat) and sugar. Avoiding those combos helps keep the person at an even keel and at a reasonable level.
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Vlo....thank you so much for posting the recipe..I have printed it out.

The January 2 issue of First for Women has an interesting article on how many carbs people might need. It is based on the amount of the enzyme amylase is in your saliva. You can do a self test. If interested glance at the magazine as your are standing in the grocery line! If All of these articles are to be believed, we would all be skinny minis, but sometimes some new research is valuable.
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Frosty, I was curious about one line from one of your sources: "Diet: a high carbohydrate diet increases T3 levels, resulting in increased metabolic rate (diet-induced thermogenesis)." I have no doubt that it is scientifically proven that a hi carb diet increases T3, but doesn't the conclusion contradict the equally scientifically proven fact that it is a hi protein diet that increases thermogenesis?


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I believe it's talking about the thermic effect of food. Both carb and protein causes a temporary boost in metabolism to metabolize (fat does not). I know after I eat a high carb, lower fat meal (which is typical for me), I will get roasting hot for a while afterward.

Carb also keep the glycogen levels topped off which signals to the thyroid that you aren't starving so keep hummin' along (there is more to it than that but that's the basic idea). That may be what they were talking about.
What I've read is that to take advantage of the thermic effect, protein-- where you burn like 30 percent of your protein calories in digestion and process--is king. Then come carbs, at about 10 percent. Fat trails them all, as we know, and 5 percent or less. Carbs from alcohol are high--similar to protein. I'm having a hard time reading this as a high carb diet having a "higher" thermic effect. Higher than what? Higher than fat, obviously, but not higher than a high protein diet. And not higher than a SAD, I conclude, since a SAD is already high in carbs. Higher than HFLC? I guess.

BTW, when I do VLC, I make very sure to up my protein. Protein becomes a think when one starts to age....
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I think Barbara Bush had Graves Disease. There were a lot of articles about it at that time.
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Yes she did! A lot of famous people do, Oprah( you can see it in her eyes) the rapper Missy Elliot are the two that pop up in my brain right now. But autoimmune disease is rampant right now and I firmly believe what we eat and how we live has a lot to do with it


Imoksoami- I wish I could splurge on that test right now! Darn you strict budget! I saw an article that's tells you how to do a basic test at home with a saltine cracker, you chew it till it starts to taste different, you do this 3 times and time how long it take for the taste to change and then you use a chart to see what your carb I take should be based on the results. Less accurate I'm
Sure but would still be fun to find out, next time I have an off day and can afford to chew on some saltines I'm going to try it. also interested in the whole ancestral theory, like I come from islanders so does that mean I should tolerate more fruit or fish etc

Portia- it seems protein is the only thing both camps can agree on. Protein is king!

Down 2.4 after my dd, not too bad but I'm always hoping for more still have an awful cough, runny nose and headache though back to 163 which always makes me feel better since it's my 100 lb mark. Little nervous about this weekend, I'm going to do 20 net carbs both days and cross my fingers the uptick it not crazy! If it is then I may return to EOD because it's not productive to lose all week just to gain it back on the weekends have to skip practice today because I just can't with this cold, sigh. hope you all have good weekends!
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Hi everyone! Interesting discussions, I am learning so much from you all. I have been making a concerted effort to avoid processed carbs and, now that I'm paying attention, it's mind blowing how much processed food is out there. No wonder this country is pushing up the obesity and diabetes scales.

Frosty, Imoksoami & Vlo: Thanks for the insight. That carb test sounds so intriguing. Genetic predisposition is fascinating.

P0rtia: great and thoughtful comments on protein

Phoenix17: I am having the same broth struggles you are. I make mine in the Instant Pot, maybe doing it the traditional way would make a difference? The Better Than Bouillon that Carly mentioned is very good and certainly easier to make!

I struggled this week with hunger and fogginess on DDs. My losses seemed to stall as well. I wonder why that is since I stuck to rotations during the holiday season and did not feel tired, cold and foggy. I'm not a big drinker but had a decent amount of champagne on New Year's, I wonder if that affected things. Happily, I seem to be back on track with a whoosh this morning back to my low of last week. Yesterday was a bit easier in the evening and I'm well into a 24 hour fast which I may extend to 36 hours if I feel well later on.

Hoping everyone is having a great start to the weekend!

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Protein becomes a think when one starts to age....

does this mean the mind is not as good as when the person was younger

wonder what age this is?????????
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does this mean the mind is not as good as when the person was younger

wonder what age this is?????????
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does this mean the mind is not as good as when the person was younger

wonder what age this is?????????
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Vlo- great job on the loss this month. Keep it up!

Happy and healthy- I agree completely with:

"I struggled this week with hunger and fogginess on DDs. My losses seemed to stall as well. I wonder why that is since I stuck to rotations during the holiday season and did not feel tired, cold and foggy"

I am only in week 5. So I need more time to figure out stalls, hunger, etc. I did notice that yesterday was one of my toughest DDs since I started. I think it was because I had such a big UD on Thursday that it made me hungrier yesterday.
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Good morning:
I am slowly getting into the swing of things. LC isn't a problem, but incorporating JUDD with it is taking more time. I have seem some good losses this week, and I know the beginning is always fluid from LC, but who cares the reason? Weight and discomfort in clothes is a real thing that is disappearing I have to be honest and admit (to myself) the wine consumption certainly has played a part in the drop. No wine = weight loss (for me). I also have noticed I don't have heartburn anymore. I was getting to the point that I had to take TUMS every night (which you have to time with thyroid meds).
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" I have to be honest and admit (to myself) the wine consumption certainly has played a part in the drop. No wine = weight loss (for me). "

Nanu,
Welcome to the club. Any alcohol stalls me. Won't be losing this weekend :-)
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Vlo...it says you can also use 2 dime sized pieces of peeled raw potato. I will try that as I don't want to buy a whole package of unsalted crackers!

Thanks for the links...there is a lot of speculation out there about the enzyme.
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There is a book by the doctor mentioned in the article, Dr. Sharon Moalem, The DNA Restart. Good reviews.......very inexpensive for Kindle. Google the Dr......
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Old 01-07-2017, 12:58 PM   #116
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Edging in quietly — I’m trying to pick up the pieces again. I want to lose some weight without feeling exhausted while I do it. I think that means slowly.

I have a feeling that last time I posted in here we were just getting a puppy. He’s two now. Sigh.
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Old 01-07-2017, 03:43 PM   #117
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Hi Ailuros, good to see you here again.
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Old 01-07-2017, 04:46 PM   #118
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I got kicked out of the low carb group I was with because, obviously, I was doing the diet wrong or something, even though I wasn't. True believers don't like their beliefs challenged.
That sort of response makes my blood run cold - when people can't express their experience with a group but must be excluded as a danger to the common weal.

It's always good to know what people are doing as all too often there can be substantial differences of interpretation or genuine errors in what people are doing in the name of following the same WOE.

That said - when experienced people are reporting something, it's time to listen.

And I can rarely get behind exhortations to someone to 'Paleo harder', 'Restrict even further' etc. as a long-term sustainable strategy if they've been applying themselves for some time already. I'm a firm believer that for many people the maxim applies:
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The greater the restriction, the more vicious the rebound.
It sounds hopelessly zen - but fasting, voluntary restriction of food groups - it all needs to be something that we choose to do and to incorporate so effortlessly into our lives that we don't need to think about it - it's as ingrained as most self-care.

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Old 01-07-2017, 06:26 PM   #119
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An interesting thing that happens on diet boards is that when people have problems, they tend to just leave instead of hanging around to declare their problems. That's because they are usually talked down to by true believers who tell them that they are doing the doing the diet wrong, or they need to add some obscure supplement or they are lying because they are haters or something like that. Anything but that the diet itself did something to them. Therefore, if you primarily hang around forums catering to those diets, you aren't going to hear about problems with them.
THIS! The problem with going to forums is that it is almost impossible to get a balanced perspective. That is what attracted me to this group, the open discussion and acceptance of opposing view points. Glad to be in a place where open discourse can happen in a civil manner.
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Old 01-08-2017, 12:46 AM   #120
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Hi Ailuros, good to see you here again.
Thanks.

I think I need to keep a record of what I eat for a while. Not sure whether to go for paper or digital. The app I used to use was discontinued and I never really took to any of the others.
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