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Old 10-05-2017, 10:37 AM   #1
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New to Forum - STALLED

I am new to this forum and so discouraged I want to throw my scale in the river. I started eating low carb on August 17, 2017 when I weighed 167 pounds. I lost about 4 pounds in the first two weeks and was pretty excited. By Sept. 5th I had lost a total of 7.5 pounds and since then I am STALLED.

I have 20 pounds more to lose and I want to stay in Induction until I've lost at least another 7 pounds, but the scale won't move (except up). I am very faithful to Atkins and have not cheated even once - really. This surprises even me, but I have not cheated. I am stubbornly sticking to 20 or fewer carbs a day.

I generally eat a salad with a few cucumbers, 0 carb dressing, a couple of pieces of bacon or a hamburger (no bun) for lunch, chicken salad with avocados for dinner and I snack on a few green beans. I drink tea with no additives and lots of water. Now and then I'll have a diet soda. If I go above 800 calories a day, I gain a pound immediately. I walk every day for 30 minutes. I play tennis twice a week for 1.5 hours each time. I ride horses every Saturday for 2 hours. I lift weights in the gym for a half hour once a week. NOTHING.

No weight loss for one month and today I GAINED a pound. I've tried to increase fat (fat fast) - gained a half a pound. I tried increasing calories to 1000 a day - gained weight again. I am now thinking of doing a fast, but last time I did that (prior to this diet) I fasted for 3 days, and yes, I gained a pound. My thyroid is at the bottom of normal and I have big thyroid nodules, but my doctor says all tests are still in range so everything is OK as far as he's concerned. I am so discouraged any tips would be much appreciated!
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Old 10-05-2017, 10:57 AM   #2
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If you're gaining weight at 800 calories a day, you really need to see a good doctor to rule out thyroid or other medical issues.
Sorry you're having issues, it can be very frustrating to nail down a problem like this.
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Old 10-05-2017, 11:40 AM   #3
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I wonder what your diet history is? I also wonder what plan you are doing - calorie restriction or low carb or Atkins? If you are doing Atkins, you know that calorie counting/restriction is not part of the plan.

You really need to evaluate what it is you are doing and if you really think it is sustainable. If eating 800 calories of low carb is what makes you maintain, I would ask myself how long do you see yourself being able to do that? If the answer is not very long, then you need a strategy that is long term and may not produce weight loss right away.

I too am sorry you are having such issues despite your efforts. I would suggest you do some reading at Dr. Fungs blog on the subject of calories. It might really help.
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Old 10-05-2017, 11:59 AM   #4
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I am new to this forum and so discouraged I want to throw my scale in the river. I started eating low carb on August 17, 2017 when I weighed 167 pounds. I lost about 4 pounds in the first two weeks and was pretty excited. By Sept. 5th I had lost a total of 7.5 pounds and since then I am STALLED.

I have 20 pounds more to lose and I want to stay in Induction until I've lost at least another 7 pounds, but the scale won't move (except up). I am very faithful to Atkins and have not cheated even once - really. This surprises even me, but I have not cheated. I am stubbornly sticking to 20 or fewer carbs a day.

I generally eat a salad with a few cucumbers, 0 carb dressing, a couple of pieces of bacon or a hamburger (no bun) for lunch, chicken salad with avocados for dinner and I snack on a few green beans. I drink tea with no additives and lots of water. Now and then I'll have a diet soda. If I go above 800 calories a day, I gain a pound immediately. I walk every day for 30 minutes. I play tennis twice a week for 1.5 hours each time. I ride horses every Saturday for 2 hours. I lift weights in the gym for a half hour once a week. NOTHING.

No weight loss for one month and today I GAINED a pound. I've tried to increase fat (fat fast) - gained a half a pound. I tried increasing calories to 1000 a day - gained weight again. I am now thinking of doing a fast, but last time I did that (prior to this diet) I fasted for 3 days, and yes, I gained a pound. My thyroid is at the bottom of normal and I have big thyroid nodules, but my doctor says all tests are still in range so everything is OK as far as he's concerned. I am so discouraged any tips would be much appreciated!

Welcome Tctc, This is quite the Pickle you have here, I put on my thinking cap and my advise to you is just what I would do if this were me and I were as frustrated as you, I would work backwards, I would cut out all carbs except one small green salad per day And by salad I mean lettuce. I would lose the Artificial Sugar, no soda or anything with artificial sugar in it. Get rid of the Avocado and any Condiments outside of Mayo. Let 2 oz. of Cheese be your limit per day. 4 Tbsp. HWC limit. Let protein and Fat be your Mainstay. Lose the Bacon, most have sugar and nitrates, and any other Processed Food. Watch out for Deli Meats most have added sugar. Give it 3 days and see if the scale moves. You may have a very low tolerance for carbs, that was my issue. I had to cut the carbs back to about 10 or less before I started losing. If your hungry eat Protein. It's worth a try. You can always add carbs back in later a few a time. Watch out for hidden carbs and hidden sugar in everything, even spices, garlic powder, onion powder, black pepper all have carbs. Google Carbs in Spices for the list. Good Luck and Keep at it, we will find the answer.
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Old 10-05-2017, 12:53 PM   #5
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I sympathise with this predicament, but some of the frustration is coming from the long-held beliefs that calorie restriction (energy in vs energy out), and exercise are some sort of gurantee at weight loss. Much of the later research dispute these beliefs, so I would suggest doing some research and this will help you target other areas of your lifestyle that may not be conducive to weightloss. I am not suggesting you do not exercise but do it because its good for you and you enjoy it.

I would also ditch the sodas and any fake foods. Do some reasearch on inflammation - its conducive to weight gain, so you might find something you are doing or eating is causing inflammation and you don't reasise it. Perhaps doing some elimination experiments might help you. For example give up dairy for a month, give up nuts and seeds for a month. Probably the last I would try, but plenty of people have issues with certain vegetables as well.

While I do not advocate calorie counting, 800 calories is low to do long term, and you body might be responding by holding onto as much as possible.

Get a second opinion from another doc, or maybe get key hormone levels checked. Improve your sleep if its bad as well.

Believe it or not, nearly everyone has stalled at some stage. Low carbing takes you away from processed food, and in no circumstance is that a bad thing.
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Old 10-05-2017, 02:12 PM   #6
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Thanks for all of the responses and suggestions. I will try them all. Yes I am frustrated, but I'm going to keep trying until I lose this weight. I have been to my regular doctor and to an endocrinologist who (unhelpfully) said I was probably not able to lose weight because of "hormonal" issues. I asked what he meant by that and he just shrugged. I am all the way through menopause - by at least 4 years - so I'm not sure what hormonal issues he's talking about. Insulin? He wouldn't say and my blood tests show I am not even pre-diabetic.

But I've been a weight-gaining machine for about 5 years. I've steadily gained weight from about 127 pounds since that time. I first went to the doctor when I was 142 pounds and he did my thyroid levels etc. and said "nothing I can do for you - go diet and exercise." I did, but I didn't lose weight - I gained weight. Never before in my life did I have this issue. Then I gave up for a couple of years and even threw out my scale. Gained more weight up to 167 pounds. Went back to the endocrinologist and he said I have large thyroid nodules but did a biopsy (no cancer) and said again my levels are low, but "in range". So here I am. I weigh myself every other day. The only way I can maintain is by low-calories (800 or less) in and the only way I've been able to lose weight is through low-carb. This is the first time I've been on a low-carb diet. I've always exercised
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Old 10-05-2017, 03:04 PM   #7
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I would honestly suggest you find a better thyroid doctor because many endos and PCPs are just not good with thyroid.

I suggest this because it took me more than 5 years to get diagnosed, although I had escalating symptoms. Like you, I had nodules that my primary tested for cancer and then just said, I was OK. It was only when I had such crushing fatigue that I could not make it through a work day that I self-referred to a local endo who diagnosed me immediately.

Both she and my current endo have told me that many people have labs that seem 'normal,' and a good thyroid doctor will consider symptoms in addition to labs. In fact, in recent years, my dosage has been adjusted based on my symptoms when my labs seemed fine.

It's not easy to find a doctor who is good with thyroid, but it's work the effort because that tiny gland basically runs your body.
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Old 10-05-2017, 03:45 PM   #8
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Thanks Leo41 - I would love to find a better endo doctor but where I live it can take 6 months to get an appointment with a new endo doctor. I called a different practice to schedule an appointment last week and I'm still waiting for a call-back. But so far I've seen two different endos and they both say the same thing.

I have another question and I wonder if anyone else has experienced this - I seem to gain weight when I take Advil or another pain killer. I took it a few weeks ago a few times in one day for a migraine and the next day I gained weight, then lost it again a few days later. Starting yesterday I got a cold so I've been taking Advil for the fever and I feel so bloated today that my clothes feel much tighter. I feel like I've gained all the weight back that I lost, and I've only had a salad today because my appetite is off due to the cold. I wonder if it's the Advil or the inflammation from the cold? In any case I think that may explain the latest weight gain...? Maybe I'm just very sensitive to inflammation? Does anyone else have this issue?
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Old 10-05-2017, 06:13 PM   #9
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Tctc.....Welcome to the boards. You must seek one of the top doctors your health is everything. You will be around in 6 months so set up the appointment now and look into help in the meantime. I suffer from extreme chronic pain. I go to one of the top specialist in the country. One of the people I saw was a nutritionist. I eat strictly anti-inflammatory foods. You can google it including spices ( I do not eat any type of flours listed or grains.) If you have inflammation issues I would suggest seeing a nutritionist too whom is versed in those issues. Secondly, I have done it all and I mean all. One's body is a miraculous thing if you live on 800 calories your body adjusts. It takes your body a long time to recover from any abuse or trauma. Eating too much or too little is such. Really research inflammation. It is known to be the cause of many diseases and weight gain. One thing about research is you can always find other research stating the opposite. So you have to read and listen and then try things for yourself to see what works. I am sorry you are having such difficulty. You do not want to spend the rest of your life eating 800 calories to just maintain your weight. Call everybody you can and get on those waiting list and see other people while waiting. There are many things to do to improve your health. Best wishes. Keep us posted. By the way sometimes it takes me 5 or 6 weeks to see my specialist and I am a long time patient. When you go to the best that is a price you pay and I am fine with it because I want to best of the best.
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Old 10-05-2017, 06:26 PM   #10
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Thanks Leo41 - I would love to find a better endo doctor but where I live it can take 6 months to get an appointment with a new endo doctor. I called a different practice to schedule an appointment last week and I'm still waiting for a call-back. But so far I've seen two different endos and they both say the same thing.

I have another question and I wonder if anyone else has experienced this - I seem to gain weight when I take Advil or another pain killer. I took it a few weeks ago a few times in one day for a migraine and the next day I gained weight, then lost it again a few days later. Starting yesterday I got a cold so I've been taking Advil for the fever and I feel so bloated today that my clothes feel much tighter. I feel like I've gained all the weight back that I lost, and I've only had a salad today because my appetite is off due to the cold. I wonder if it's the Advil or the inflammation from the cold? In any case I think that may explain the latest weight gain...? Maybe I'm just very sensitive to inflammation? Does anyone else have this issue?
Too simplistic to look at it this way. Consider this - if you break an arm or leg, it will swell - thats inflammation and its not a bad thing. Its part of the bodys natural response to injury or harm. Its chronic inflammation thats the issue. People can take the same drug for the same issue, but will respond differently because lifestyles are different - different sleep, different hormones, different diet and so it goes on.

I get an inkling you just need to have a plan and give it a go for a month or two before deciding something is not right. Your expecting your body to drop fat when your only consuming 800 calories and pumping weights. While it sounds counterproductive, you might want to try resting and relaxing.

Its hard finding up to date doctors so good luck with that, but in the mean time, I would try and stick with unproessed foods as a bare minimum.
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Old 10-05-2017, 07:35 PM   #11
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Tctc.....Welcome to the boards. You must seek one of the top doctors your health is everything. You will be around in 6 months so set up the appointment now and look into help in the meantime. I suffer from extreme chronic pain. I go to one of the top specialist in the country. One of the people I saw was a nutritionist. I eat strictly anti-inflammatory foods. You can google it including spices ( I do not eat any type of flours listed or grains.) If you have inflammation issues I would suggest seeing a nutritionist too whom is versed in those issues. Secondly, I have done it all and I mean all. One's body is a miraculous thing if you live on 800 calories your body adjusts. It takes your body a long time to recover from any abuse or trauma. Eating too much or too little is such. Really research inflammation. It is known to be the cause of many diseases and weight gain. One thing about research is you can always find other research stating the opposite. So you have to read and listen and then try things for yourself to see what works. I am sorry you are having such difficulty. You do not want to spend the rest of your life eating 800 calories to just maintain your weight. Call everybody you can and get on those waiting list and see other people while waiting. There are many things to do to improve your health. Best wishes. Keep us posted. By the way sometimes it takes me 5 or 6 weeks to see my specialist and I am a long time patient. When you go to the best that is a price you pay and I am fine with it because I want to best of the best.

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Old 10-06-2017, 02:26 PM   #12
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My doctor told me that Advil has a lot of sodium, and it was part of the reason my blood pressure went up seemingly for no reason. I had been suffering from pretty severe tendonitis in my elbow, and was taking 2 of the gels at least every four hours. As soon as I stopped and switched to Tylenol, my pressure went back down. It could explain why you feel so bloated when you take it.
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The other thing you might consider if you have not done already, is to seek the guidance of a nutrionist or homeopath who subscribes to the paleo or lower carb method of eating. If they do, you will know they are a bit more up to date than the tradional high carb low fat believers. They might be able to isolate whats throwing things of course for you.
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Old 10-15-2017, 04:25 PM   #14
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Hello Tctc
I have another suggestion in your long list, as you already do so much. How about adding these supplements Gla+Cla + drinking lots of water, some say that worked when things had stalled, also sometimes you might lose in size rather than in lb's, have you meassured, maybe just through the scale away
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Tctc. How are you doing?

My weight is very slowly like molasses coming off. We must be just slow losers. Eat healthy, low carb and keep it up. Eventually it will come off. Do not concentrate on the scale and numbers, go by how you feel and how your clothes fit. Sometime smaller size clothes give us more pleasure, at least it does for me.
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