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Old 02-17-2015, 12:49 PM   #1
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Just read about Atkins 20

I kept on reading about this but wasn't familiar with it so I read about it. I looked through Phase 1. Wow. I remember when I did Phase 1 on DANDR, and this seems so different. There is no way I could have lost weight on that-eating the nuts/seeds, fruit, starchier veggies and whole grains along with everything else. But that is just me. I am sure there are people out there who have had great success on Atkins 20. And I understand that there are people who need more variety, and this definitely has variety.

So now I am curious, who here is doing Atkins 20? How much have you lost on it, and do you like it?

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Old 02-17-2015, 12:55 PM   #2
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I've never heard of it. Can you say more?
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Old 02-17-2015, 01:00 PM   #3
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I read a little about Atkins 20 and Atkins 40 on the website, but ended up going to what I know works - DANDR.
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Old 02-17-2015, 02:05 PM   #4
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I don't know a whole lot about it. Just that you can eat more variety on it than on DANDR Phase 1. They let you eat starchy veggies, nuts/seeds, fruit (I think it listed berries and melons) and whole grains along with your meat, eggs, cheese, full-fat dairy, non-starchy veggies and oils.

Of course on DANDR, you can't eat starchy veggies, nuts/seeds, fruit or whole grains during Phase 1. (Induction) I do remember something that Dr. Atkins once said: 'the quickest and fastest way to stop losing weight is to start eating fruit'. That's probably not true for everyone but it certainly was true for me.

(rachel2writer, just noticed you are near Denton, TX. I was born and grew up in Denton, TX! Haven't lived there in 19 years)

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Old 02-17-2015, 03:41 PM   #5
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Doesn't sound like it would work at all for me.
I have a bit of fruit no more than once a week, and it's never a whole piece.
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Old 02-18-2015, 05:28 AM   #6
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I was trying to figure out how you could only be at 20 g with all those higher carb foods in there. haven't looked at the menu for Atkins 20 so can't say anything about that.

All I know-this reminds me of what I used to eat on WW when I was doing WW. Of course, that was higher carb and lower fat. Just the stuff they allow reminds me of that. 3 months on WW and zero pounds lost.

Some people just need more variety to stick to plan. I'm different. I never get bored eating the same things over and over again.
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Old 02-18-2015, 05:36 AM   #7
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In my younger years, I could have eaten this way. I probably did a lot worse.
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Old 02-20-2015, 04:11 PM   #8
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I just feel like so many of the changes that have gone on since Dr. Atkins died have more to do with selling products than helping people get healthy.
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Old 02-21-2015, 10:02 AM   #9
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I just feel like so many of the changes that have gone on since Dr. Atkins died have more to do with selling products than helping people get healthy.
Seems that way, doesn't it? And now I've heard of some of the Atkins programs where you can skip Induction. Huh? Dr. Atkins incorporated Induction for a reason yet all the reasons seem to always be lost, and then you wonder why people don't lose on their first two weeks of Atkins. Not only that but the Induction I followed isn't the same one that people seem to follow nowadays. (meaning Atkins 20)

I do remember Atkins for Life in which, if you had less than 20 pounds to lose, you could start at 60 g and adjust your carb level accordingly.

I would suggest if anyone is doing Atkins 20 and not seeing success to pick up Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution and read it and follow it.
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Old 02-21-2015, 11:48 AM   #10
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Seems that way, doesn't it? And now I've heard of some of the Atkins programs where you can skip Induction. Huh? Dr. Atkins incorporated Induction for a reason yet all the reasons seem to always be lost, and then you wonder why people don't lose on their first two weeks of Atkins. Not only that but the Induction I followed isn't the same one that people seem to follow nowadays. (meaning Atkins 20)

I do remember Atkins for Life in which, if you had less than 20 pounds to lose, you could start at 60 g and adjust your carb level accordingly.

I would suggest if anyone is doing Atkins 20 and not seeing success to pick up Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution and read it and follow it.
I completely agree Induction is SO important... people are starting out without that and struggling with frankenfoods, and then deciding Atkins doesn't work. I agree, pick up either DANDR or the original '72 Dr. Atkins Diet Revolution, and follow it as written.
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I think maybe Atkins Nutritionals is trying to capture a new audience. There are lots of people out there trying paleo right now - and that allows a wider variety of sweet and starch than traditional low carb diets do. Plus paleo doesn't require induction (though Whole30 is a form of paleo induction that some people do). Plus there are quite a few people doing "keto" (nutritional ketosis) who also don't necessarily do induction or stick with very strict food lists/serving sizes. There are a lot of people out there who aren't interested in traditional Atkins who may be lured in by what appears to be a more flexible plan. The old plans are still available for those who want them. I say whatever gets more people exposed to low carb is a good thing.
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I think maybe Atkins Nutritionals is trying to capture a new audience. There are lots of people out there trying paleo right now - and that allows a wider variety of sweet and starch than traditional low carb diets do. Plus paleo doesn't require induction (though Whole30 is a form of paleo induction that some people do). Plus there are quite a few people doing "keto" (nutritional ketosis) who also don't necessarily do induction or stick with very strict food lists/serving sizes. There are a lot of people out there who aren't interested in traditional Atkins who may be lured in by what appears to be a more flexible plan. The old plans are still available for those who want them. I say whatever gets more people exposed to low carb is a good thing.
I agree with this.
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I think maybe Atkins Nutritionals is trying to capture a new audience. There are lots of people out there trying paleo right now - and that allows a wider variety of sweet and starch than traditional low carb diets do. Plus paleo doesn't require induction (though Whole30 is a form of paleo induction that some people do). Plus there are quite a few people doing "keto" (nutritional ketosis) who also don't necessarily do induction or stick with very strict food lists/serving sizes. There are a lot of people out there who aren't interested in traditional Atkins who may be lured in by what appears to be a more flexible plan. The old plans are still available for those who want them. I say whatever gets more people exposed to low carb is a good thing.
I agree, Misti.

Considering on the SAD Americans consume an average of 300 carbs a day, even cutting that in half would be tons healthier for most people. Under 100 carbs a day, and most overweight people would slowly drop weight, improve their blood pressure and BS, rid themselves of heartburn, and so many other health improvements.

I did not do induction this time around. Started at 50 carbs a day, backed myself down to 25 to 30 a day after the first month and have lost 50 pounds since and maintained it. 2 years into this woe and going strong.

I didn't lose fast, but I lost surely, and in a way I could and can maintain. From the get go I ate nuts, berries, dairy, vegetables---including tomatoes and onions--- occasionally, LC sprouted wheat bread. I just made sure that whatever I ate, it fit into my daily carb allowance.

We all know how unique everyone is when it comes to what works for them on a LC woe, and I say the more plans, the merrier. The most important idea is less white food, to the degree that works for you, in a way that works for you.
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I didn't lose fast, but I lost surely, and in a way I could and can maintain.
I think this is really important and key here! Not worrying about getting all the weight off in one day but finding a way in which you can lose and maintain. So many people focus on weight loss that they forget about the health benefits of LC no matter what plan it is. And they forget they need to do something in which they will be able to maintain once they hit goal.

Even though I know Atkins 20 would not work for me, it doesn't mean that it wouldn't work for someone else. Like I said earlier, some people need more flexibility and less strictness. I never felt deprived on DANDR Induction. But others might. And for others who say, "I'll never be able to eat bread again'. Yes, you can! Even on some of the plans, as Blue Skies has shown, you can eat bread. Just depends on how someone's body can handle it. (my body can't-not even sprouted bread). Even on DANDR, you can eat bread. It's just in the later phases. That's all.
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I just read something about Atkins 40 as compared to Atkins 20. Atkins 20 is the old system with no more than 20 g of net carbs a day. The new Atkins 40 is 40 g of net carbs a day with 20 g in not starchy vegetables. It said that in a test the 40 group stayed with the program and were not as board.

The amount of starch you are allowed in a day is very small. 1/2 an ear of corn, that's for the day. The next day you can have a slice of bread, etc. I was thinking of trying it. Now I am doing Atkins 20 and a cheat day. My cheat days don't seem to throw me off, and I don't feel deprived.

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Interesting posts.
I agree that if it works for you, and you aren't craving and making yourself crazy, go for it! I myself cannot do this without induction, and I know it. Started numerous times in the past few years and never was able to stick to it until I made myself do the basic induction. Now I'm sticking to 20-40 carbs and it's very slowly coming off. But that's ok. It took years to put it on, it's okay if it takes a year or so to get it off. I have to make this a way of life, my health depends on it.
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I am very interested in this thread because I am back to Atkins/LCing after a 7 year hiatus from having my kids and putting myself on the backburner as a lot of moms with young kids do.

I agree with a lot of what has been said here, about finding what works for you. I did Atkins very successfully and kept my weight off for years doing DANDR, and following the ladder very strictly. I never made it to Maintenance Levels, but was pretty happy in OWL, eating berries, melon, a half an apple, nuts, steel cut oats, yogurt, etc. However, it took me awhile to get to that point where I felt comfortable eating those foods, and not FEARING food.

This time around, I am trying, like BlueSkies said, to approach this as something I can achieve and MAINTAIN. That means this time, I am eating yogurt and nuts and berries right out of the gate.

I am actually quite interested in Atkins 40 as something I can go to during times of stress, or when I am just feeling too restricted on the 20, or DANDR style, of eating. I feel like it would be good for me to have some guidelines to go by when I feel the need to increase my carbs, or eat some "forbidden" foods in order to keep my sanity. Its far better than going off track completely and forgetting where I am trying to get to.

I have, for me, a lot of weight left to lose, about 30 lbs. I also have a family and a life that I know now will cause me to have periods of time when I need to go to the Atkins 40 plan in order to loosen up some of the strictness and make it easier for me to stay on plan and still handle things. And I'm totally ok with that.

I don't know if any of this makes sense, but I just wanted to add my .2 cents, as this is something that has been on my mind as I have come back to this lifestyle. I've found this thread very inspiring
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Many thanks to all for the posts here.

And I agree with what those are saying about the Atkins people have gotten so far off track trying to drum up new business it's hard to recognize them as being the same org.

But like Krista said, now we know if life gets to be too rough to handle, back off, make it easier on yourself. Eat an extra 10 or 20 or even 40 extra carbs for a day or so, or however many it takes. Then when you can handle it, ease back down to the plan.

Just don't give up and beat yourself over the head for "backsliding" or "falling off the wagon." Consider it a part of the plan, and soon as you can, get right back in line where you stepped out.

Look at it like this. If things get too crazy, have a pizza, or a Subway sandwich. Or whatever blows your skirt up. Just have it with a healthier salad or side and desert than you would have had back in the SAD days.

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Many thanks to all for the posts here.

And I agree with what those are saying about the Atkins people have gotten so far off track trying to drum up new business it's hard to recognize them as being the same org.

But like Krista said, now we know if life gets to be too rough to handle, back off, make it easier on yourself. Eat an extra 10 or 20 or even 40 extra carbs for a day or so, or however many it takes. Then when you can handle it, ease back down to the plan.

Just don't give up and beat yourself over the head for "backsliding" or "falling off the wagon." Consider it a part of the plan, and soon as you can, get right back in line where you stepped out.

Look at it like this. If things get too crazy, have a pizza, or a Subway sandwich. Or whatever blows your skirt up. Just have it with a healthier salad or side and desert than you would have had back in the SAD days.

DON'T get so depressed that you lose all perspective.

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I couldn't have said it better, Tere. We have to stop thinking of a minor change in eating as "backsliding." Some of us beat ourselves up and convince ourselves we've failed and just give up. Most of the time the so-called "transgression" was only one day, even only one meal.

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I'm doing akins 20 carbs a day, I just read the book and stick to what it says so I like it its almost 2 months and lost 21lb!! so far would like to lose 20 more.
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Seems to be some confusion here between Atkins 20 and Atkins 40.

On the 20, there are no fruits in Phase I (the equivalent of induction). The 20 carbs should come mostly from non-starchy vegetables.

Berries and legumes are added back in phase 2 (I view phase 2 as the same as OWL in the old book). And then other fruits etc. in Phase 3.

Staying at 20 net carbs, Atkins 20 looks the same to me as Induction in the DANDR.
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To me it looks like Atkins 40 basically the same as Protein Power.
Yes, I believe it is more doable for some people so thats why they put it out. I think its a nice alternative for some.
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I guess I'm confused about Atkins 20. I look at their Phase 1 and the only difference I see from DANDR is that it is explicit about how many vegetables you should be eating. Basically clarifying that the carbs you're allowed during induction should come from vegetables (rather than lactose).

There are no fruits and nuts on Phase 1 of Atkins 20. Those come in during Phase 2.

Here is Phase 1 of Atkins 20: (lifted from the Atkins website)
Net Carbs (grams) = total carbs minus fiber 20
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Protein: 3 servings of 4 – 6 oz per serving
Healthy Fats: 3 servings of added healthy fats per day e.g. butter, salad dressings, olive oil, etc.
Carbohydrates Limited: Most carbs should come from vegetables during first 2 weeks e.g. leafy greens and other low-carb vegetables. You can also have dairy foods high in fat and low in carbs: cream, sour cream, and most hard cheeses.

Someone help me understand what in that plan is so far off of DANDR?
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The only difference I see is the serving limits on protein and fats. Dandr says eat if hungry, eat til satisfied (but not stuffed) try to eat 3 meals ans small snacks as needed.
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The only difference I see is the serving limits on protein and fats. Dandr says eat if hungry, eat til satisfied (but not stuffed) try to eat 3 meals ans small snacks as needed.
Ah, that's right. DANDR didn't suggest serving sizes.
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Wow! I saw Atkins 20 on their website and also have read Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution. The induction I'm following seems a lot more like a mix of DANDR and Atkins '72 (don't know too much about this other than you start out with no carbs?) than Atkins 20. I didn't realize there was a difference!
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I just feel like so many of the changes that have gone on since Dr. Atkins died have more to do with selling products than helping people get healthy.

Totally agree. That being said hubby is diabetic at 300lbs. He won't stick to DANDR. I CAN BUT HE WONT. He cheats which when eating like this a cheat is 10x worse. Ugh. I may try this on him. Atleast to for now. If it gives him some variety he may stick it out.

That being said I trusted Dr Atkins. I do not really trust anything since he died that is new.
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I loved DANDR. To me that is the bible of this WOE. I think the key was working the ladder correctly during OWL and up through maintenance. That seems to be where laziness sets in. Doing it again along with my daughter and I keep quoting Dr. Atkins on how just one bite of a cheat is the kiss of death on this diet. Doing good so far. Not as fast, but slow and steady will win.
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I loved DANDR. To me that is the bible of this WOE. I think the key was working the ladder correctly during OWL and up through maintenance. That seems to be where laziness sets in. Doing it again along with my daughter and I keep quoting Dr. Atkins on how just one bite of a cheat is the kiss of death on this diet. Doing good so far. Not as fast, but slow and steady will win.
I love DANDR too. It is how I lost most my big weight after the kids. It was easy to follow and straight forward. It was so simple to stick to and follow.

I am starting lower this time at 72 then progressing to DANDR. I could not do it on the new plan. I just don't see it working for people like me.

Maybe for newbies just trying Atkins for the first time? But somehow making it easier to do to include more options can mean more struggle in the long run.
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