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Old 01-11-2017, 06:26 AM   #1
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No Carb - Wiped Out During Exercise

I realize doing low/no carb means you have less immediate energy. My goal is zero carbs per day for a bit. During exercise I am just destroyed. I'm doing a twice a week heart rate based cardo workout and the objective is to redline the heart rate (to established 100%) and then active rest or no activity rest. It's a great program except for the pain of doing it with just stored fat energy.

I know as long as I'm doing no carb this will continue. Sure, I will increase my fitness, which will help, but the lack of energy will have an impact.
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Old 01-11-2017, 06:50 AM   #2
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Kudos to you for embarking on such a program. Is it IHT? I used to hike a lot, but can't imagine it since I have been on LC. Will restart at some point, but having no immediate energy is a bit of a drag.
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Old 01-11-2017, 06:51 AM   #3
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this too will pass. Once your body is better fat adapted, you will have no problem with exercise.
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Old 01-11-2017, 06:55 AM   #4
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I exercise daily. Your body will get use to it and adjust. Just keep at it.
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Kudos to you for embarking on such a program. Is it IHT? I used to hike a lot, but can't imagine it since I have been on LC. Will restart at some point, but having no immediate energy is a bit of a drag.
Is IHT Interval Hit Training? This is formally called MyZone but that's just because it's what it's called. We wear heart rate monitors and it's displayed on screen. The app tracks the effort and what your 100% rate should be then adjusts that over time. After serveral workouts it should be fairly accurate.

They usually want compound exercises, such as 10 cycles of short time burst rows with short rests, then wait as the heart rate comes down to a certain point before doing another six cycles of over the bar burpees and rest.

The next class, things will be different, but the approach is the same.
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Old 01-11-2017, 07:00 AM   #6
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this too will pass. Once your body is better fat adapted, you will have no problem with exercise.
Hopefully so. I know now my body is not used to pulling the majority of it's energy from fat stores.
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Old 01-11-2017, 07:19 AM   #7
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I exercise daily. Your body will get use to it and adjust. Just keep at it.
Will do. Right now I don't exercise daily as I'm hoping there is some amount of energy recovery that will help me through the next scheduled class. On the weekend I do go and walk or hike but that's it for now. As my recovery allows I'll add in more day.
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I actually would not do any intense exercise until you were fat adapted and then build it up slowly.
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As a runner, I have read quite a bit about fat adaptation and exercise. Even the most adamant proponents of fat adaptation say it doesn't give the same energy at the extreme high end of effort. Biologically, that is what glycogen is for.

I'm sure it will get better, and unless you are making a living as a sprinter, it may not be enough energy difference to matter.
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I actually would not do any intense exercise until you were fat adapted and then build it up slowly.
Why is that? If it's just because of the pain and suffering, it's something that I just deal with and move on. If it's because of a health reason I'm all ears.
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As a runner, I have read quite a bit about fat adaptation and exercise. Even the most adamant proponents of fat adaptation say it doesn't give the same energy at the extreme high end of effort. Biologically, that is what glycogen is for.
I would agree, and would not expect it to do so. However, I DO think my body can learn (get used to?) to be more efficient with a bit of time in getting energy from fat. I'm kindof making that up so I really don't know for sure.
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I would agree, and would not expect it to do so. However, I DO think my body can learn (get used to?) to be more efficient with a bit of time in getting energy from fat. I'm kindof making that up so I really don't know for sure.
I'm sure it can. It is just a different pathway to energy and your body has to get used to it.
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Why is that? If it's just because of the pain and suffering, it's something that I just deal with and move on. If it's because of a health reason I'm all ears.
You say you feel destroyed........exercise is supposed to energise you. I totally believe in listening to your body.

I went cold turkey low carb around Feb 2016 and started HIT around April. I did more and more over time, but never did I feel destroyed and my understanding is that is one of the signs of being fat adapted
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You say you feel destroyed........exercise is supposed to energise you. I totally believe in listening to your body.

I went cold turkey low carb around Feb 2016 and started HIT around April. I did more and more over time, but never did I feel destroyed and my understanding is that is one of the signs of being fat adapted
Destroyed while doing it. I've been inactive for 9 months due to an injury so my general fitness is low. That, coupled with zero carbs, makes he hour difficult. Even if I was in perfect shape the class is designed to take you to your limits.

Later, when I've recovered, I do feel better for sure.
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Is IHT Interval Hit Training? This is formally called MyZone but that's just because it's what it's called. We wear heart rate monitors and it's displayed on screen. The app tracks the effort and what your 100% rate should be then adjusts that over time. After serveral workouts it should be fairly accurate.
Yes HIT. Sorry, typo. Is MyZone the app? I hesitate on HIT because I worry about weather my heart would manage (given obesity and age).
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Old 01-12-2017, 06:03 AM   #16
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Yes HIT. Sorry, typo. Is MyZone the app? I hesitate on HIT because I worry about weather my heart would manage (given obesity and age).
Yes, MyZone, you got it. We have two very large people in my class that haven't done anything for years. The good thing is that it doesn't take much to get their heart rate to the established 100% so it's relative strain for everybody. For mine the last three workouts the app has adjusted based on what it has tracked.

The place I am doing my class is also the place I will eventually go back and do CrossFit. The instructors there are VERY "instructional" and focus on proper form, getting through the class, safety, etc. This may or may not be like where you would take your class.
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Old 03-09-2017, 06:18 AM   #17
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Okay, I will bite. What is a no carb diet? Do you only eat meat/fats? I've never heard of a zero carb diet, how do you accomplish this (no, I don't want to do it, just curious).
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Old 03-09-2017, 08:06 AM   #18
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If you Google it, you'll find that many people do 'zero carb' diets.

It's basically limited to animal products--meat, fish, eggs, fats.

I don't eat eggs (sensitivity) but do fine with just meat and fish.
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Old 03-18-2017, 04:37 AM   #19
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May I ask... I know there are calculators for estimating how many calories we burn during exercise, but is there a way to measure (if even possible to apply this) the number of carbs? If that even makes sense. What I'm getting at is could there be a "net 0" carb diet where the low carb intake is offset by the exercise so that the net result = 0? Sorry if that has been addressed before, I'm new
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May I ask... I know there are calculators for estimating how many calories we burn during exercise, but is there a way to measure (if even possible to apply this) the number of carbs? If that even makes sense. What I'm getting at is could there be a "net 0" carb diet where the low carb intake is offset by the exercise so that the net result = 0? Sorry if that has been addressed before, I'm new
Interesting question, but not that I have ever heard of.

Everyone is different in how much fat/sugar they burn. There is even a test for it where they somehow measure meatbolism and respiration amd can tell you if you are a "sugar burner" or "fat burner" or somewhere in between.

Activities are different too. Short, intense bursts are more likely to burn sugar. Long, lower intensity exercise is more likely to burn fat.
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For the OP, I didn't think of this earlier, but you might want to look at the work of Phil Maffetone. He recommends LC and has a program he says will help along fat adaptation. I will warn you though, it is nothing like what you are doing now. He favors low intensity exclusively until you are well-adapted. His max HR is *170* minus your age for the majority of training.
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Old 03-19-2017, 05:34 AM   #22
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Interesting question, but not that I have ever heard of.

Everyone is different in how much fat/sugar they burn. There is even a test for it where they somehow measure meatbolism and respiration amd can tell you if you are a "sugar burner" or "fat burner" or somewhere in between.

Activities are different too. Short, intense bursts are more likely to burn sugar. Long, lower intensity exercise is more likely to burn fat.
That is very interesting. I would love to know which I am - sugar/fat burner. I certainly seem to be "carb sensitive" if that makes sense. Was having all kinds of GI issues that I thought were related to dairy or eating too close to exercise. Now that I've cut the carbs, 0 issues with dairy/exercise.
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