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Old 10-19-2017, 07:33 AM   #901
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I hear ya GB. Maybe don't understand all the feelings you are having since I don't have much of a church background but I have always believed in GOD and talked to him/prayed all my life. I believe he has listened to me at times. But then other times I say "how can there be a God that lets this happen"? Not trying to get into a big religion discussion or anything, we know each other well enough to know what each other believes in. Just sometimes I'm not sure which side of the fence I'm believing - I go back and forth. But always believe God is here and will take care of us. Mom was always making the old comment "All things happen for a reason, it's God's way". I think I do some wrong things tho - like sometimes I find myself bargaining with God, saying if you fix XXXXX for me I promise to be XXXXX forever. That is not right I know. I and KNOW it would be so petty to ask God to help me lose weight with all the other problems people have so I have not done that. But I have wanted to

I believe that miracles happen every day so I'm not giving up on anything even if I'm not doing that well right now on what I'd like to do for myself. Things will get better.

I got a chuckle out of hearing you talk about your helper. Sounds like you have a lot of fun on the job to an outsider but when the truth is some of it's annoying and you are just stuck with it, that's not the best. Ya gotta just hang I guess.
Good morning Kris We do know each other on certain levels. I have a general feel for what kind of life you have. But this morning I learned a lot more about your spiritual side. Or your faith side of you.

I'd love to converse with you more, about what it is exactly that you believe.
I guess it will come out in bits and pieces over time, We both know that this forum is not the place for trying to persuade another person of ulitmate truth.

But even as I'm dying (and we all are from the day we are born), the dross is coming to the surface and must be purified further. Not purified in the sense of qualifying myself for entry into heaven. Someone else has already qualified me for that based on His perfect life and death on my behalf.

But purified in the sense of hopefully hearing someday " well done thou good and faithful servant, enter into the joy of your Lord."

I think you should pray to God for help with your weight loss efforts. One ought never to think that God is too busy with bigger fish to fry. Remember, He steers all the stars in the sky, keeping each one in it's course. Nothing is too big or too small to involve His action.

So why would I not give up the beer, even after the cancer diagnosis (tho I did for a few weeks before I let it come back at sauna time)? A short answer is "because I could."

If we have a certain kind of stroke (like my dad's), we would come away without the ability to swallow. That would certainly solve the beer problem and all of the bad foods we eat.

Thankfully that is currently not what's helping me stop beer. But I am so close to that kind of reason, that it feels like a "cannot." With the metastasis to my left buttock and severe discomfort in my liver area, it's all I can do to put as much in my mouth as possible that will help (not harm) my last ditch effort to win the fight with cancer.

I discovered the probable "why" the tumor in my buttock is growing so fast (tho hopefully I am slowing it now). I learned that inside a tumor the cancer cells are always mutating. The ones that are the strongest and multiply the fastest sort of take over.

If these escape the tumor sack and enter the blood (and they do) and if they can form a colony and get a tumor going, it will be a faster growing tumor than the primary tumor.

Anyway, so as I go thru each day, without my old props to buoy me up, I am forced into a new world. And I am forced to stay in it, which is exactly what I needed. And for me, because of my religious background, I enter into that new world to find God in deeper and more profound ways.

That's why I said the suffering is worth more than gold. Isn't it obvious? If any human being gets closer to their Maker, that has to be more valuable than earthly treasures. Jesus put it this way "For what does it profit a man if he gains the whole world and loses his own soul?"

I listened to guy on the internet last night (not a Christian) and he was telling his story with cancer. At one point in the hospital a man with cancer across the room asked him "do you know what my greatest wish is?" The other guy said no, how should i? Then he told him "to die in peace."

I already have peace with God, but since my life as largely been a charade before God, I'm excited to discover Him in a more real way. You don't find that when life is going along swimmingly. God isn't that important to you. At best He's an "add on" of some kind. And that's a place in the heart He will not settle for in anyone.
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Old 10-19-2017, 09:08 AM   #902
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I'm so glad you all are still here and haven't given up! I, too, would like to be a day 1-er with you again. I just don't have the same motivation I had in the early 2000's. I know when I am away for a long period of time, I'm shunning accountability.

Thanks for still be here to encourage me. We can do this!!!
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Old 10-19-2017, 08:01 PM   #903
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I'm so glad you all are still here and haven't given up! I, too, would like to be a day 1-er with you again. I just don't have the same motivation I had in the early 2000's. I know when I am away for a long period of time, I'm shunning accountability.

Thanks for still be here to encourage me. We can do this!!!
Wow, someone new...or a long ago participant!!! Can you believe it Kris?
Welcome back MSNLA

Yes please, start a day 1-er with us. Tomorrow i'm a day 8-er. So MSNLA remind us of your story. And why do you think it is that you have lost some motivation?

Oh and a correction from my last post. I was going too far by saying those with a "swimmingly" nice life aren't going deep with God. Who am I to judge? Sometimes I talk like I know things, when I really don't Sorry.

Tonight I am so hyper. Hardly had any calories all day, even as Turmeric, Ginger, and Wheat-grass powders, etc, etc....take away my appetite when it's all I'm eating till my veggie dinner with a little organic chicken on it.
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Old 10-20-2017, 06:48 AM   #904
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Where's PAC? I miss her. Hope she's ok. Hope she's not mad at me.

Hi Kris Day 8 begins. Yesterday I received a bottle of Natura 701, which along with China's most celebrated doctor, was developed by a rocket scientist.
I can't remember his name, but he himself overcame a bone sarcoma, osteo sarcoma and survived for a few decades before he died in a car accident.

I took a bunch of it yesterday. Maybe that's why I was hyper at dinner time. i'm taking so many things, it will always be hard to know what's working if anything.

Do I miss the beer? Not yet. I'm liking being forced to not have it. Yeah. You'd think it would be terrible to be forced to do anything, but it can be liberating at the same time with the right mental attitude.

Thank the Lord I did not sneeze yesterday!! I still can't cough hard, but haven't needed to either. You know, at times we swallow wrong and cough real hard to get it out of our wind pipe. Whatever happened last Saturday with that coffee enema, is still around.

But I'm better, just can't cough or sneeeze. Tomorrow I plan to try another coffee enema, to see if it might finish what the last one started. Maybe I have stones that need to pass.
I'm drinking lots of lemon juice (fresh) and I take Chanka Piedra to help as well.

Or maybe I have liver cancer or bile duct cancer. It would almost seem like a blessing to get another cancer that takes me out of the world before I get cut up by surgery, trying to stick around longer.

Life here on earth has it's limits doesn't it? Even super wealthy people have to stay within limits. Just because your rich doesn't mean you can eat unlimited lobster for dinner. At some point you have to stop and if you don't you will get sick and not want lobster anymore.

The celebrities have more money than they know what to do with, yet so many end up in rehab. Just because your rich doesn't mean you get away with too much great alcohol.

Even my beloved Santa Barbara county area finally became old hat to me. I was so mesmerized by the beauty there. The vineyards, the oaks on rolling hills of green or golden grass, depending on the seasons. Horse pastures with beautiful race horses grazing in the sun. It all got worn out thru repetition. The law of diminishing returns.

Why do want to stick around so long? Is it really all that great? We marry Mr. or Mrs Wonderful, only to find ourselves struggling at times to love them anymore.

We find ourselves at the ER at 11:00 at night, either being the patient or waiting with one. We look around at all the people waiting to see a doctor. We can't wait to get home.

What am I trying to say? I guess at 62 years of age, I feel like it's been plenty of time here. The only thing different about the coming year from previous years will be the suffering I must pass thru. And because of my beliefs about the after life, the suffering is a doorway into a new world that culminates in seeing the face of God.

I'm very happy right now to have time to prepare to meet my Maker. So many die instantly of a massive heart attack or stroke. No time to prepare. A head on car accident. Gone in a flash.

Let's say you're going to meet a very, very important person. You've been invited. You have accepted. You will meet them. You are super excited. You have picked out your dress. You are losing weight to fit into it.

Then one day when you're all sweaty and your hair is a mess and you're still not ready to wear that dress, the important person arrives in a Limousine to take you to his mansion. You're going, but you're not ready.

So when I speak of preparing, it isn't preparing to qualify yourself. You're preparing so you don't arrive red-faced.

In one story a man invited guests to a wedding. He sent out white garments ahead of time so each person invited would be properly clothed. One guest decided to wear her own garment instead. The Master saw her and asked her why she wore that one instead. Then promptly had her removed and cast into outer darkness where there was weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Well friends, you can see this cancer is causing me to think in different categories and I find it refreshing. I was getting tired of being healthy and
wasting my time. Isn't that strange? I don't envy those who live at ease until the day their heart gives out and they fly away. Unless....they have prepared ahead of time.
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Old 10-20-2017, 05:06 PM   #905
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checking in Not much new.

back MSNLA! Yes please refresh us on your story. It is nice to have an old friend back.

I see GB that you really are thinking deep into a lot of things now. I guess having all the time on your hands without the enjoyment of beer lends you time to do that. What would I do with my time if I HAD to quit??? Occassionally I give up alcohol for 3 weeks or a month. I am glad to hear that so far you are not missing it too much. Sometimes we want to be 'forced' to do something that we know we should do, but can't do without the forced part. I hate what you are going thru right now but am sure glad that you are hopeful and handling it as well as you are. We can't give up hope.

My heavy drinking buddies are gone to Arizona for a little bit and I have not had alcohol for a few days but I still haven't eaten as clean as I could have. Just ate lunch today and no dinner but it was too big of a lunch I've been to the store and now have some lettuce and healthier things on hand so hopeful.......

Yes PAC We all miss you. Hope you are doing well
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back MSNLA! Yes please refresh us on your story. It is nice to have an old friend back.

I see GB that you really are thinking deep into a lot of things now. I guess having all the time on your hands without the enjoyment of beer lends you time to do that. What would I do with my time if I HAD to quit??? Occassionally I give up alcohol for 3 weeks or a month. I am glad to hear that so far you are not missing it too much. Sometimes we want to be 'forced' to do something that we know we should do, but can't do without the forced part. I hate what you are going thru right now but am sure glad that you are hopeful and handling it as well as you are. We can't give up hope.

My heavy drinking buddies are gone to Arizona for a little bit and I have not had alcohol for a few days but I still haven't eaten as clean as I could have. Just ate lunch today and no dinner but it was too big of a lunch I've been to the store and now have some lettuce and healthier things on hand so hopeful.......

Yes PAC We all miss you. Hope you are doing well
I wish you could swallow yucky stuff like Turmeric powder and ginger powder. Because these yucky powders (mixed in with water) (Actually Wheatgrass is pretty bland) but if you could learn to drink down stuff like that, it would totally curb your appetite.

Unless you're nothing like me I simply stay full all day on powders and sups. You could make a fruit smoothie is if has to taste good. Sweeten it with stevia.

Staying away from a big lunch can be easy. Have your eggs and bacon with coffee for breakfast. Then roll along on grass powders or a fruit smoothie without fruits like a banana.

Eat watermelon all day. There's ton of cheap tricks to nourish, cleanse, reduce inflammation in the body and not be eating big lunches or big dinners, unless it's mostly veggies.

Try it for a week. See if you don't get on a roll.
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Old 10-20-2017, 05:49 PM   #907
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I wish you could swallow yucky stuff like Turmeric powder and ginger powder. Because these yucky powders (mixed in with water) (Actually Wheatgrass is pretty bland) but if you could learn to drink down stuff like that, it would totally curb your appetite.

Unless you're nothing like me I simply stay full all day on powders and sups. You could make a fruit smoothie is if has to taste good. Sweeten it with stevia.

Staying away from a big lunch can be easy. Have your eggs and bacon with coffee for breakfast. Then roll along on grass powders or a fruit smoothie without fruits like a banana.

Eat watermelon all day. There's ton of cheap tricks to nourish, cleanse, reduce inflammation in the body and not be eating big lunches or big dinners, unless it's mostly veggies.

Try it for a week. See if you don't get on a roll.
so are the turmeric & ginger powders appetite suppressants? What else are they supposed to do for you?? What is grass powder? any THC in it?? I might be able to do those things?? Wasn't really that hungry when I ate all the crap for lunch - but it was a big buffett and I kept tasting every little thing till I was all bloated up on everything. DUH
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so are the turmeric & ginger powders appetite suppressants? What else are they supposed to do for you?? What is grass powder? any THC in it?? I might be able to do those things?? Wasn't really that hungry when I ate all the crap for lunch - but it was a big buffett and I kept tasting every little thing till I was all bloated up on everything. DUH
I don't know if they are appetite suppressors, but they work for me.

and I'm not talking about turmeric and ginger in your spice cabinet. I'm talking about ordering some organic powder off the net. Like a pound of it.

Just google the health benefits. It's extensive. Great for prevention and treating of cancer. I have been using them all along, but not consistently and they had to compete with beer.

So I was basically totally sabotaging my efforts. Trying to kid myself that both were possible at the same time.

Grass powder, like Wheaat grass, barley grass, etc. No THC. Just dense nutrition. Super foods stuff.

I'm so happy you might try it.
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You know me and supps. I don't know. I don't even like to take excedrin. But I am also open minded. If someone I trust says something has worked for them then maybe I'll give it a try. It just all confuses me very much because so many companies stretch the truth about what their product can/will do and I've tried SO MANY weight loss/appetite suppressants that DID NOT work and wasted tons of money doing so. Hard for me to think something will help me. My problem is mostly in my head - I absolutely know what I can eat to look and feel good and have honestly and entire desk of LC recipes that are fabulous but I just don't do it. I don't understand myself - why am I so diligent about running/walking (for exercise/bone health, heart health) but yet not disciplined at eating correctly or giving up crappy empty food with no value and alcohol. What goes on in my brain Gotta fix this thinking.
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You know me and supps. I don't know. I don't even like to take excedrin. But I am also open minded. If someone I trust says something has worked for them then maybe I'll give it a try. It just all confuses me very much because so many companies stretch the truth about what their product can/will do and I've tried SO MANY weight loss/appetite suppressants that DID NOT work and wasted tons of money doing so. Hard for me to think something will help me. My problem is mostly in my head - I absolutely know what I can eat to look and feel good and have honestly and entire desk of LC recipes that are fabulous but I just don't do it. I don't understand myself - why am I so diligent about running/walking (for exercise/bone health, heart health) but yet not disciplined at eating correctly or giving up crappy empty food with no value and alcohol. What goes on in my brain Gotta fix this thinking.
I don't take weird sups like diet pills or appetite suppressants. After I read an article on 7-Keto and all of the health benefits, I bought some. That was one sup that I could NOT get comfortable with.

I didn't like the thermogenic effect. So I finally quit on it. I still think it's a great sup, but I didn't like the feel of it. Otherwise, as I read articles on various nutrients that our body uses to function (and many are made within our own bodies, but decline in production with age) I get excited about the health benefits.

Take melatonin for example. Helps us sleep. But it also helps to prevent cancer. All Alzheimer patients have depleted levels of melatonin. And on and on.

You read about big studies with control groups conducted over a long period of time. One group gets the placebo, the other gets the sup. Then you read the results. Are all this studies fake? Is there nothing but lies in the world?

So I take my highly absorb-able form of Co-q10 because the stuff is awesome in what it does. We make our own, but we have less as we age. why not boost it? Heart surgeons who know little about nutrition do know that they want their patient to up their Co-Q10 intake before surgery.

What will you say to your surgeon? "I don't know....I'm so confused.....i bought sups before and wasted money...."

Most of my sups are actual food in powder form in a gelatin capsule. I could go into the rain forests of Brazil and hunt for the particular mushroom. Or I can buy it in the form of being put in a capsule for me to swallow. Then it can go help regulate my blood sugar levels and decrease inflammation and the other 20 great things it facilitates.

Or I can be a skeptic in life and believe everyone is lying. Nothing works except beer.

Lycopene is amazing. Google it. Do I want to eat a bunch of tomato sause to get it? No, too much sugar. Let me buy it from a trusted name brand in capsule form then. Or hang on to my money and forget about being blessed by lycopene. Or.....Hopefully I will get enough from the ketchup I put on my fries.

Think about all the great nutrients you can avail yourself of. You're not getting many from your eggs and bacon. Some protein. Some good fat. Some bad fat too. I don't think we want to source our fat needs from pig fat.

So Kris, I think it comes down to being smart and informed or ignorant and dumb. You choose my friend.
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