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Old 04-27-2017, 11:54 PM   #1
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Stalling?

I'm going to put a positive spin on it, and say that rather than stalling, I'm "maintaining at a higher than optimal weight" !

I've learned something this week - it's probably really obvious, but sometimes it's helpful to take a step back to see the bigger picture. Over the last 18 months of being ketogenic, I'm down 5 sizes pretty much effortlessly (I'd guess about 80 lbs but I don't weigh). I last dropped a size at the end of the year - since then I've maintained at roughly 2 sizes (I'd guess 30 - 40lbs) above my ideal weight.

Over Christmas, blood tests showed I had very low folate, vitamin b12 and had borderline anaemia. As a result, I started eating lots of green veggies. To make the veggies palatable, I slathered them with loads of butter. I also started getting hungrier, so my treat of a couple of squares of 90% lindt crept up to 4, and I was eating lunch more frequently rather than intermittent fasting. The net result has been very little weight loss. I put my numbers in a food tracker and realised that whilst my macro breakdown was good, calories were between 1500 and 2000. My BMR is about 1400 or something.

I'm guessing the additional food, albeit the right sort, means I've no need to dip into existing fat stores, because the energy I'm consuming largely meets my needs.

So, it's back to first principles - weekday intermittent fasting, quit the additional veggies and butter, quit the additional chocolate, and monitor the cream in coffee (I was drinking loads). Hopefully this will see some further losses.

But, I suppose the positive from this is that I know if I eat to hunger, and make sure I remain keto, then it seems my weight remains stable.

Complacency, Carb creep and calorie creep - the downfall of the long term LCHFer!

I'm attempting a 48 hour fast to kick start and reboot this new phase - wish me luck!!!
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Old 04-28-2017, 05:14 AM   #2
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Good plan. I am still working on breaking my stall. I know I need to do a longer fast but just can't seem to convince myself to actually do it................
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Old 04-28-2017, 06:21 AM   #3
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I've thought of this in regards to myself-- what will happen after I have lost all that weight.
I think that all the extra skin, connective tissue, and of course the fact that while overweight by 80 lbs, you have actually adapted to carrying what amounts to an 80 pound sack of fat around, so despite what it looks like, every day has been a day at the gym.

I personally think that even if I get "close" to my ideal weight or size, 10 or even 20 pounds difference is still much better than before.

I think you should just continue marching on!
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Old 04-28-2017, 11:40 AM   #4
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Good plan. I am still working on breaking my stall. I know I need to do a longer fast but just can't seem to convince myself to actually do it................
How long do no normally manage, clackley? I have to admit that I've not managed to go beyond 24 hours so far. My last meal was this time yesterday, I had coffee with 1 tbsp cream this morning, and I'm having another one now. Might be early to bed tonight so I don't get tempted to open the fridge door and see what's inside. Strictly speaking I know it's not a fast because of the cream, but it's the best I can realistically achieve , I think.

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I've thought of this in regards to myself-- what will happen after I have lost all that weight.
I think that all the extra skin, connective tissue, and of course the fact that while overweight by 80 lbs, you have actually adapted to carrying what amounts to an 80 pound sack of fat around, so despite what it looks like, every day has been a day at the gym.

I personally think that even if I get "close" to my ideal weight or size, 10 or even 20 pounds difference is still much better than before.

I think you should just continue marching on!
Thanks Kalyke I like your take on carrying the 80 lbs as being like a day at the gym each day - great way of looking at it!!!

Just measured blood glucose out of curiosity after not eating for 24 hours - 3.3. I seem to have lost my ketone strips for the meter though - I'm curious to see how high they'll go!
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Old 04-28-2017, 12:20 PM   #5
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... watching Diners, Drive Ins and Dives on Food Network isn't a great idea when attempting a fast.
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Old 04-28-2017, 05:32 PM   #6
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Can you make chocolate like brownies and make them some good Godiva coco powde mixed with cream cheese and maybe almond flour, and add some stevia? Would something like that cease the chocolate cravings?
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Old 04-28-2017, 09:21 PM   #7
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Can you make chocolate like brownies and make them some good Godiva coco powde mixed with cream cheese and maybe almond flour, and add some stevia? Would something like that cease the chocolate cravings?
That's a great idea - I caved and had some cheese followed by a couple of squares of 90% chocolate . I don't think longer term fasting is for me - 24 hours I find fairly easy, but struggle with longer than that. I don't think it's physical hunger - I think mentally I feel deprived. Might have another go next week, but got a massive pork leg out of the freezer yesterday so will be eating that the next 3 days or so.
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Old 05-01-2017, 12:39 PM   #8
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I am stalling too. So back to basics. Less dairy and nuts. Also working on relaxing more and especially sleep!
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Old 05-02-2017, 03:00 PM   #9
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Good luck, Koala. I hope you find a way to manage those stress levels and get some great quality sleep. There seems to be a lot of emphasis on the role of cortisol and sleep lately for weight loss and general good health.
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Old 05-12-2017, 11:56 AM   #10
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I got some amino acids to help with sleep and super helped!
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Old 07-07-2017, 03:56 PM   #11
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Fat Bombs

I've found that when I'm stalled, the best thing to jump start weight loss again is to make fat bombs and have one in place of breakfast, then another between a LC lunch and dinner (keeping to fewer than 20 grams per day total.) Favorites include chocolate/peanut butter balls or a serving of white chocolate mousse. Never any more than 2 per day, though. Perhaps you could add them at customary meal times while on your fast. I know it seems kinda counterintuitive, but it works for me and also for my husband.
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Good luck, Koala. I hope you find a way to manage those stress levels and get some great quality sleep. There seems to be a lot of emphasis on the role of cortisol and sleep lately for weight loss and general good health.
How did the changes go? Update?
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I've found that when I'm stalled, the best thing to jump start weight loss again is to make fat bombs and have one in place of breakfast, then another between a LC lunch and dinner (keeping to fewer than 20 grams per day total.) Favorites include chocolate/peanut butter balls or a serving of white chocolate mousse. Never any more than 2 per day, though. Perhaps you could add them at customary meal times while on your fast. I know it seems kinda counterintuitive, but it works for me and also for my husband.
Makes sense to me! I actually just started looking into fat bombs myself.

Has anyone used a fat fast to break a stall?
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Do some research on circadian rhythmns more commonly known as body clocks. There are whole lot of biological processes that happen based on time of day.......if you do not have good circadian rhythmns, those biological processes may not occur and the result is weight gain and possibly other diseases.
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Old 10-02-2017, 12:42 AM   #15
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It took me a while to get kick started, Koala , despite my best intentions.

Finally got around to it starting 2nd week in August. My weekday regime has been coffee with double cream for breakfast; skip lunch; dinner has been some sort of protein with green veggies and butter; plus I've had a glass of kefir and another coffee with cream, plus small amount of 100% chocolate. Weekends I've been more liberal with coffee and lunch (not intermittent fasting on weekends). Average breakdown:-

Calories 1265
Carbs 20.4 total (15 net)
Protein 76g

Lost 4 lbs (3cm from waist) over the subsequent 7 weeks, so it's slow going! Being middle aged with possibly slightly dodgy thyroid function, I suppose that is only to be expected! I do feel better though for losing those few lbs (I had gained weight, so I think I've pretty much lost what I'd gained).

I'm substituting coffee with cream with bulletproof coffee this month to see how thst goes, foregoing my evening coffee with cream, and perhaps looking to reduce protein down to about 60g.

How are you going koala?
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Old 10-02-2017, 04:25 AM   #16
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It took me a while to get kick started, Koala , despite my best intentions.

Finally got around to it starting 2nd week in August. My weekday regime has been coffee with double cream for breakfast; skip lunch; dinner has been some sort of protein with green veggies and butter; plus I've had a glass of kefir and another coffee with cream, plus small amount of 100% chocolate. Weekends I've been more liberal with coffee and lunch (not intermittent fasting on weekends). Average breakdown:-

Calories 1265
Carbs 20.4 total (15 net)
Protein 76g

Lost 4 lbs (3cm from waist) over the subsequent 7 weeks, so it's slow going! Being middle aged with possibly slightly dodgy thyroid function, I suppose that is only to be expected! I do feel better though for losing those few lbs (I had gained weight, so I think I've pretty much lost what I'd gained).

I'm substituting coffee with cream with bulletproof coffee this month to see how thst goes, foregoing my evening coffee with cream, and perhaps looking to reduce protein down to about 60g.

How are you going koala?

Glad your back on target clanger, things always seen to go easier if your ready to do it rather than forcing it, hard to get your head in the right place sometimes. Your doing great clanger, your making progress!!!!
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... watching Diners, Drive Ins and Dives on Food Network isn't a great idea when attempting a fast.

lol, been there....doesn't bother me any more, still like that show even if I can't eat 70% of the stuff on it....
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stalled last week, dropped the dairy by half, walked half as much, and didn't over consume liquids, lost the most lbs in a week than I ever had before.
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